Is Hip Hop vs. Rock really the subject, or are people just using that title as a cover up for Black

Come on now, we might as well face it. Hip Hop is black oriented and Rock is white oriented. I've seen alot of these questions where people bash the opposite genre but I dont think thats what this is really about. Anybody with common sense knows that a debate over which race is better than the other would be politically and morally wrong. I feel, that people are subconciously using Rock and Hip Hop as a substitute. There's just somethings where the line between Black and Hip Hop gets hazy, the same goes for Rock. I remember comin up I with argue with Rock (white) fans and they would mock me and my boys by saying in a fake black accent, "yo yo yo, my brother whats up?" and do this exaggeratted walk and cross their arms. Me and my boys in return would put on a "surfer boy" accent and say, "Totally dude, righteous man, gnarly waves!" and violently shake our heads while pretending to play a guitar. See what I mean?

Is Hip Hop vs. Rock really the subject, or are people just using that title as a cover up for Black vs. White?band myspace

lol. its ironic, since rock was invented by black people.

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HIp hop is majority for black people and that rock trash is for white people
im filipino, and i like both genres. a lot of people are just ignorant nowadays.
yes, except that most young people now like hip hop regardless of race. I am in a rural part of VA, and every other car with kids is thumpin, maybe it is a generational issue. Although some of the rap(videos) make my wife uncomfortable due to the sex and the portrayals of women as bitches or whoes.
i'll be honest, i think alot of white ppl who "hate" rap/hip hop only do so because they see blacks %26amp; other minorities succeeding..if the majority of rappers/hip hop artists were white, i dont think alot of them would have a problem with it....ppl can take it however they want, thats just how i feel
I don't think it is over race. I'm black and I love Boys Like Girls. My friends simply say that it's wake because their not use to it. Not because of the people that made it.
I totally think that is the case but I'm white and I love hip hop and not rock. I just think rock is pointless, it has no meaning to it, but rap (good rap) has heart to it and makes a lot more sense. And no I'm no whiteboy wanna be who tries being all gangsta and listens to 50 cent all day, I just go for what I like and not what others think.
good question too. thats how its gonna be for years to come unless the people start mixing the music up. i love music with rock and rap. and the ppl are white singing it. so i think thats what we need in out culture to break the stereo-type
omg i was thinking the same thing alot of people think that rap is a disgrace towards woman which in some points of veiw i agree and so white people dont like the music maybe becase of the accents and the subjects they choose to sing about and how its kind of innopropriate towards children but its a different story with rock music they sometimes sing about the same things rappers do like butts and sex and stuff like that so i dont know what the diffrence is black or white music is music my history teacher hates rap but love rock and hes white he always says when he hears a rap song he wants to punch someone so i see where your going with this! i agree all the way!
i thought the subject was hip hop vs country??

and i think we all know who wins that battle.......
Rock was invented by black people.

Urban America vs. America maybe
I personally feel in 2007 that this nation and other nations to quit fighting because all it does is cause hurt and anger. There is no love when talk about who's race is better or worse than the other. Music is not the only avenue making millions on the race debait. Think about all of the organizations out there who take in billions of dollars every year because they are saying they are fighting for one race or the other. People like David Duke and Jessie Jackson are not hurting for money and why is that? Because the general masses continue fighting for their seperatist causes. We need to quit listening to people like Duke and Jackson and start listening to our common sense of right and wrong. Hate never does anything but breed more hate. You will never get love when we all continue to falsely believe that race is still a real issue today. Don't get me wrong there are issolated cases today that need to be worked out but for the most part I truly believe men and women of different backgrounds and colors are really starting to get along. If we turned to Duke and Jackson and other groups who continue to throw the race issue at us and pulled together and said enough is enough and America as a whole is done with your groups deviding us as a nation. This nation could be the land of paridise if only we would stop bashing each other because of our differences. I truly believe there comes a time in a nation when we should all rise up and stand as ONE! I believe that time is NOW! Let us learn from history and move on. Remember hate only breeds hate and were there is hate love can never exist! I am sure this is not the answer you wanted or were looking for but I believe it is the ANSWER to a better AMERICA. Good Luck

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I'd like to think that if both genres are taken as they are for their good and bad traits, they are both equally viable. Hip-hop as a genre generally values a great beat and intelligent lyrics or clever witticisms. This sometimes fosters a lot of arrogant posturing and childish feuds, and highlights the limits imposed by a singular, simple backbeat. A lot of rock artists project a wild and energetic image, and cultivate qualities of youth and vanity in their image. This can lead to a rather dull, generic rock landscape, and the music can seem confused; with tons of overblown guitar thrashing, wild drumming, and completely unglued bass riffing, it all seems rather masturbatory.

However, it doesn't seem to be a black vs. white issue. It's just what type of music you prefer. Many white kids prefer rap, hip-hop, and dance music today, seeing rock as a kind of pointlessly 'hip' dinosaur. And the first to truly synthesize the blues, soul, and country influences into rock and roll were black people. So it doesn't seem to follow that only one certain type of person likes hip-hop, or that one has to like only one or the other. I myself am more of an eclectic, disposed toward bizarre post-punk and avant-garde music. However, I am a fan of jazz, trip-hop, hip-hop, electronic music, blues, and most anything else.

What I appreciate more is the potential that the genres can have when the line is not drawn at "us vs. them". One of my favorite songs is a crossover between dance and rock, "Soon", by My Bloody Valentine. It's got a great backbeat for the main riff, and the verses are walls of guitar and breathy vocals. Portishead, a Bristol trip-hop group, utilizes real-time jazz samples and record scratching to back up a great soulful vocalist. Public Enemy used in-studio band samples to create its dense sound, and vocalist Chuck D. made a great appearance on noise-rockers Sonic Youth's "Kool Thing". It's when the lines between genres are blurred that great things happen.

The real problem isn't with liking certain types of music, but with boiling music and music fans down to trite stereotypes. Not all rock sounds the same, not all hip-hop sounds the same. It takes time to experience a genre and find out the subtleties of its sound. The mainstream image of the hip-hop group, or the rock group, is not all there is. And we certainly shouldn't draw ourselves into narrow camps just because we aren't open-minded enough to listen to someone else's music.
like the person above me said it is a generational issue, you just gotta get it how u live =D
First of all, rock n' roll was created by black people, but that's not the point.

I really don't think it is. Not everything is a race issue. It is possible you know that people could dislike a genre because of the music, not because of the people creating the music. Some rock fans don't like hip-hop because

a) They don't like music without live instruments and musical improvisation (not lyrical).

b) They don't like music where people do not sing.

c) The only hip-hop they hear is hip-hop that, quite frankly, I myself don't like.

So what, if you're white and like hip-hop you can't be racist, but if you don't, you have to be racist? That's too black and white of a statement, and incorrect.

And can black people be racist against black music? Because if so, any black person that doesn't like disco, soul, funk, jazz, rock n' roll, hip-hop blues, etc. is a racist.

Are all people that don't like hip-hop automatically not racist? Of course not, but those are usually the people who have their opinions voiced the loudest, and overshadow those that don't like hip-hop for a different reason.

Thinking that white people don't like hip-hop because they are scared of black people succeeding is a paranoid comment. So, no, they aren't.

But Buttery Biscuits, could it just be that only the ones who don't like hip-hop because they are racist post in the RHH section, and that the ones who don't like it because they don't like the music don't post in there? And the RHH section believes that every rock non-rap fan is racist because the only ones they come in contact with are the racist ones?
Man im glad im not the only one to notice this...Ive brought this up before in a question...and "They" tried to call me a racist...lmao WTF...I had to cut the crap and ask because they have no real reason to hate on hip hop...none of them can justify it...The called me a racist for bring the truth to the table...They proved me right by the responses to the question that I asked...Most of their reasons are that they talk about money too much...lol Since when is that a reason to hate something...Then they say it disrespects women and its about hate...I say its the hate that hate produced...They make all this stuff possible to be played...smh...The real reason is that its invading "their" homes...Their kids are emulating these so called "gangstas"...lol...They also fail to understand that we created Rock and half of all that other music that they listen to...If you think about it when only a few of these artist were getting paid it wasnt a big deal...Now you have a majority of these artist getting bookoo dollars...doing something that they deem as simple and effortless...It has to stop and its too violent...As far as violent where is it? The top albums playing are dance songs...like Soulja boy...not violent...50 aint killing nobody on wax anymore...Kanye never did and these are the top artist...So I cant see what they are talking about. Fabs, Common, 50, Talib are making love songs. Lil Wayne, Baby and Boosie always talking about money and cars... So most of their arguements arent valid. I can see if they came around during the NWA, Death Row, Too Live era screaming this but its not like that anymore. Just here and there. Thats why I agree with you.

Welcome to yahoo and watch what you say...ppl on here real sensitive.
ha im into rock and hiphop. im also asian oriented.lol
such thing exists only in rare cases. frankly, people like me dont like rock cause the lyrics arent good enough and i dont like the sound(u know, sometimes they make ghost sounds and sometimes u cant hear a thing they say , u just hear loud electric guitars!)

and rock lovers dont like hiphop cause they only hear the music in rock so when they hear rap, the music is the same in the whole song and they only like songs with great beats.

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I completely understand what you are saying, and I can also say that I see this behavior mostly on yahoo answers. As far as the general public outside of YA, I do see some pretty valid points as far as why society it against hip hop. But then I come on here and I see what some people say about hip hop and their arguments are very ignorant, and it sometimes becomes an attack of the hip hop culture, which is predominantly black, as opposed to attacking the content of the songs in question. It's the ignorant people that come to the RHH section, bashing hip hop using the most generalized and stereotypical arguments that one could conjure up, and sometimes based on their words, it does seem like they are using hip hop as a cover up for black's behavior and lifestyles.
It's totally a cover up for Black vs White. I've seen the comments when a White person posts a question like "Rap or Rock?" The deluge of answers leaves no doubt in the readers' minds as to their true feelings on race. It's too bad rockers think that only White people feel emotions and can express them in music. I try to have an open mind by listening to every kind of music there is. Not saying I like it all, but I try...
I know alot of whites who dont even listen to rock. Any one who is cool listens to some hiphop, even me and I love country music. My daughter is white and hip hop is all she listens to. So to answer your Q, No I dont believe it is an underlying cover-up. My husband is black and likes to listen to rock or country rather than hiphop! Imagine that?
finally a good question in this section. well i personally believe the media gives hip hop a bad "rap" (sorry lol) because black people make the music. the media doesnt know anything about hip hop so they only see the negative things. you wont hear them talk about rock music and rock stars having a bad influence on the kids. when a young person shoots somebody, the media blames hip hop for it. i think that rock music doesnt get scrutinized like hip hop because like you mentioned, rock is white oriented (even though blacks created it). i think some white people dont like hip hop because of the medias portrayal of it. they dont understand hip hop, its principles, and where it came from. usually the people that hate on hip hip dont know hip hop (Bill OReilly, John Gibson, Oprah, etc.)

another thing is the media never talks about the violence and degrading of women in movies, video games, and tv. i believe its because black people are not the majority of those who make those things.

i could go on forever on this topic but i think you get the idea.

but there is no reason to argue with rock fans about which genre of music is better. they like what they like and you like what you like. its totally subjective. just ignore those clowns
even though most people who like rap are black and most who like rock are white i think that it becomes a black versus white thing only because we know where we stand when it comes to music. there is so many different categorys that can be counted as black versus white but people only think of them as a race argument because the majority of one race goes for the same thing.

pancakes versus waffles is a perfect example because most white people like pacncakes and most black people like waffles. it just hasn't sprung into a racist thing like rap versus rock has.
you think people are subconsciously using rock and hip hop as means of debate in over which race is better: black or white?

I think this is where Carlos Mencia says "Dee dee dee"